Relationship between time and change

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This topic contains 7 replies, has 4 voices, and was last updated by Danakeli December 27, 2018 at 9:02 pm.

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  • #6605
    Sai
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    The question is about which is ontologically prior – time or change. From what I gather, Aristotle believed that change is prior.

    Time is the number of change in respect of before and after.

    But Krishna says in BG –

    The Blessed Lord said: Time I am, destroyer of the worlds, and I have come to engage all people. With the exception of you [the Pandavas], all the soldiers here on both sides will be slain.

    which seems to imply that time is prior to destruction(change?)

    Can you provide some insight into what time is?

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    Ashish
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    You may have seen neon signs where a succession of blinking lights (lights that go on and off one after another) creates the impression of moving light. All those bulbs are reality and they are not changing. However, time causes the light to go on and off and creates the impression of change.

    Change is phenomena (the lighted bulb) and there are two causes of this phenomena — the possibility or the switched off bulb and time which switches on this bulb. Both the possibility and the time are eternal but the selection of possibility by time creates temporary effects.

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    • #6731
      Danakeli
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      You wrote, “Change is phenomena (the lighted bulb) and there are two causes of this phenomena — the possibility or the switched off bulb and time which switches on this bulb. Both the possibility and the time are eternal but the selection of possibility by time creates temporary effects.”

      Does this explanation apply, then, to the illusion of motion? And can it also be used as an explanation of “changing” bodies over time (as opposed to the same body existing in different moments)?

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    • #6734
      Ashish
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      Does this explanation apply, then, to the illusion of motion? And can it also be used as an explanation of “changing” bodies over time (as opposed to the same body existing in different moments)?

      Yes it does. All the bodies are eternal as possibilities. This possibility is what we ordinarily call ‘matter’. It exists in a unmanifest form, where ‘manifest’ means manifest to our awareness. The eternity of matter is that it always exists as a possibility. However, it is sometimes realized as an experience, which is the empirical confirmation of that reality or ‘manifestation’ of reality.

      The idea of motion is that the same thing is changing. That ‘same thing’ is the soul. It is being covered by different empirical experiences which are temporary. So, the phenomena are temporary, underlying that phenomena the reality or matter is eternal, and the soul experiencing this unmanifest world as manifest phenomena is also eternal. Two eternal things combine temporarily to create the temporary experience.

      Our bodies are also like that. They are temporary experiences, but they are created by the combination of the eternal soul and the eternal possibility of matter. Therefore, your body exists eternally as a possibility and someone in the past or future can have the same body. We are just temporary tenants of this body — we are not the body, but as temporary tenants we think this body is mine, which is true for the time being. All these bodies are like static pictures of a movie reel which are being connected together into the impression of motion of a movie. The light that shines on these pictures is the soul, the picture is switched off bulb, but when the soul shines the light on this picture the picture is illuminated as an experience. Therefore, matter is objective and eternal, but our experience of this matter is temporary and changing.

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    • #6741
      Danakeli
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      This is clear. Thank you.

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  • #6663
    Sai
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    How is this time related to the time studied in physics, or the 4th dimension in space-time?

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  • #6667
    Ashish
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    They are not related. Time in science is a parameter like space. However, unlike all positions in space which exist simultaneously, all instances of time don’t. So, there is some fundamental distinction between space and time, and modern science does not account for this distinction. Therefore, time “dimension” is treated just like space “dimension” in the theories. But practically people use everyday notions about time thinking that this time somehow moves forward. The reason it moves forward has no explanation, and is called the “arrow of time”.

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  • #6687
    Sadovnik
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    ”TIME” is only Gravity effect.
    Without gravity masses there isn’t ”TIME”
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